Arguments against Thelema being a religion
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If such things are not required, then nothing is left which can be described as "religious." All that is left is experience that results in direct knowledge, or [[gnosis]]. | If such things are not required, then nothing is left which can be described as "religious." All that is left is experience that results in direct knowledge, or [[gnosis]]. | ||
- | ==Other Contemporary Opinions== | + | ==Contemporary Opinions== |
- | Non-religious views of Thelema are a part of the cultural landscape of contemporary Thelema. Non-religious Thelemites may or may not agree on the reasons why they do not consider Thelema a religion. They may also change their opinions over the course of their lifetimes. However, the following quotes may give the reader a better understanding of the differing ideas and opinions of those contemporary Thelemites who have written on the topic. | + | *"If we define religion as the institutionalization of solutions to the problems of egocentric power, it is clear that Thelema is not a religion." -- Michael Sanborn, ''Transcending the Predator''. |
- | *:"If we define religion as the institutionalization of solutions to the problems of egocentric power, it is clear that Thelema is not a religion." -- Michael Sanborn, ''Transcending the Predator''. | + | *"Thelema is a law of nature. It does not require faith, service, devotion, worship, commitment, institutions, attitudes, practices, conformity, causes, principles, or beliefs. (See dictionary definition of religion.) Christianity requires most (if not all) of these things. … Thelema is not a religion. The confusion arises because religious praxis (i.e. practice) is often used in order to understand Thelema and to live in harmony with it. … The Mass has all these things. Thelema does not require them. The fact that the Mass has these elements does not mean that those elements must be present in order to 'typify' Thelema … Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica is a religion which celebrates Thelema by way of the Gnostic Mass. Thelema is not a religion." –- [[User:Thiebes|Joseph Thiebes]], quoted from '' An Analysis of the Gnostic Mass'' by Fr. V.I.T.R.I.O.L. |
- | *:"Thelema is a law of nature. It does not require faith, service, devotion, worship, commitment, institutions, attitudes, practices, conformity, causes, principles, or beliefs. (See dictionary definition of religion.) Christianity requires most (if not all) of these things. … Thelema is not a religion. The confusion arises because religious praxis (i.e. practice) is often used in order to understand Thelema and to live in harmony with it. … The Mass has all these things. Thelema does not require them. The fact that the Mass has these elements does not mean that those elements must be present in order to 'typify' Thelema … Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica is a religion which celebrates Thelema by way of the Gnostic Mass. Thelema is not a religion." –- [[User:Thiebes|Joseph Thiebes]], quoted from '' An Analysis of the Gnostic Mass'' by Fr. V.I.T.R.I.O.L. | + | *"Thelema is not a religion in the conventional sense. It is a realization. Initiations are realizations. When we reach higher levels of consciousness and understanding, we transmit, we inspire, as stars we shine. One merely has to be in the presence of a true initiate, with one's mind open, to receive the current. I lay a challenge to all initiates: utilize all the magickal energies possible to their maximum potential for the expansion of human consciousness. Reflect! Let the flame of life within us burn brighter. Catalyze!" -- Simon Hinton, ''Liber AL Intelligence''. |
- | *:"Thelema is not a religion in the conventional sense. It is a realization. Initiations are realizations. When we reach higher levels of consciousness and understanding, we transmit, we inspire, as stars we shine. One merely has to be in the presence of a true initiate, with one's mind open, to receive the current. I lay a challenge to all initiates: utilize all the magickal energies possible to their maximum potential for the expansion of human consciousness. Reflect! Let the flame of life within us burn brighter. Catalyze!" -- Simon Hinton, ''Liber AL Intelligence''. | + | ==See also== |
+ | *[[Religion]] | ||
- | *:"Thelema is not a religion, though, IMO. Arguably it is not intended to touch on issues such as morality and conscience; the moral tools we have on hand are weak and unworkable. Thelema seems to be a system of magick and mystical advancement and little else. Furthermore, I don't think that thelemites could agree on any code of ethics long enough to form any kind of social movement." -- Callisto Radiant, quoted from ''Centers of Pestilence: Freedom is a Two-Edged Sword''. | ||
==References== | ==References== | ||
*Crowley, Aleister. (1982). ''Magick Without Tears.'' Phoenix, AZ : Falcon Press. | *Crowley, Aleister. (1982). ''Magick Without Tears.'' Phoenix, AZ : Falcon Press. | ||
- | *____. (1985). Eight Lectures on Yoga. Phoenix, Ariz., U.S.A. : Falcon Pr | + | *____. (1985). ''Eight Lectures on Yoga''. Phoenix, Ariz., U.S.A. : Falcon Press |
- | ch 2005. | + | |
*Hinton, Simon. [http://homepage.sunrise.ch/homepage/prkoenig/simon5.htm Liber AL Intelligence]. Retrieved 8 March 2005. | *Hinton, Simon. [http://homepage.sunrise.ch/homepage/prkoenig/simon5.htm Liber AL Intelligence]. Retrieved 8 March 2005. | ||
*Sanborn, Michael. [http://www.ecsd.com/~msanborn/transcend.html Transcending the Predator]. Retrieved 8 March 2005. | *Sanborn, Michael. [http://www.ecsd.com/~msanborn/transcend.html Transcending the Predator]. Retrieved 8 March 2005. |
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In contemporary Thelemic culture, there are many Thelemites who do not consider Thelema to be a religion. Among them have developed several arguments against Thelema being a religion. This article lists some of the more common ones.
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Crowley's views
If one refers to Crowley to answer the question 'Is Thelema a religion?", it is possible to say "both yes and no". In Magick without Tears, (Ch.XXXI) Crowley writes:
- True, [religion is] a slogan of A.'.A.'.: "The method of science—the aim of religion." Here the word 'aim' and the context help the definition; it must mean the attainment of Knowledge and Power in spiritual matters [...] But then there is the sense in which Frazer (and I) often use the word: as in opposition to "Science" or "Magic." Here the point is that religious people attribute phenomena to the will of some postulated Being or Beings, placable and moveable by virtue of sacrifice, devotion, or appeal.
He has even more to say on religion in chapter VI:
- It is particularly to be noted that Magick, so often mixed up in the popular idea of a religion, has nothing to do with it. It is, in fact, the exact opposite of religion; it is, even more than Physical Science, its irreconcilable enemy.
So, from the context of rellgion being that which opposes physical science, Crowley was strongly opposed to the label being applied to Thelema. He clearly defined the primary "method" of Thelema as magick (Magick without Tears):
- Magick investigates the laws of Nature with the idea of making use of them. It only differs from 'profane' science by always keeping ahead of it. As Fraser has shown, Magick is science in the tentative stage; but it may be, and often is, more than this. It is science which, for one reason or another, cannot be declared to the profane.
Therefore, if the method of Thelema is magick, by definition Thelema cannot be a religion, since it would oppose itself.
At the same time, Crowley was somewhat arbitrary about the term. He continues:
- ... our system is a religion just so far as a religion means an enthusiastic putting-together of a series of doctrines, no one of which must in any way clash with Science or Magick.
- Call it a new religion, then, if it so please your Gracious Majesty; but I confess that I fail to see what you will have gained by so doing, and I feel bound to add that you might easily cause a great deal of misunderstanding, and work a rather stupid kind of mischief.
For Crowley then, the term was optional, and perhaps damaging to Thelema. In this context, it can be argued that if the term is optional, then Thelema is not, by definition or default, a religion.
Faith is not required
Many consider "faith" (belief in something that cannot be rationally proven or objectively known) to be a defining aspect of religion. Generally, Thelema is not comfortable with the idea of faith. From The Book of the Law":
- I give unimaginable joys on earth: certainty, not faith, while in life, upon death; peace unutterable, rest, ecstasy; nor do I demand aught in sacrifice. (AL I:58)
Crowley himself had no truck with faith. From Eight Lectures on Yoga:
- The faith of which [Martin Luther] speaks is anything but a substance, and as for evidence, it is nothing but the power, as the schoolboy said, of believing that which we know to be untrue. To have any sensible meaning at all, faith must mean experience, and that view is in exact accord with the conclusion to which we were led in my last lecture. Nothing is any use to us unless it be a certainty unshakeable by criticism of any kind, and there is only one thing in the universe which complies with these conditions: the direct experience of spiritual truth. Here, and here only, do we find a position in which the great religious minds of all times and all climes coincide. It is necessarily above dogma, because dogma consists of a collection of intellectual statements, each of which, and also its contradictory, can easily be disputed and overthrown.
In this context, Thelema is a framework of ideas that allows the adherent to explore the universe with an open and critical eye, which faith would interfere with. Another way of putting it is that Thelema is simply a description of reality. An example of this attitude comes from Joseph Thiebes, quoted in An Analysis of the Gnostic Mass who writes:
- Thelema is a law of nature. It does not require faith, service, devotion, worship, commitment, institutions, attitudes, practices, conformity, causes, principles, or beliefs.
If such things are not required, then nothing is left which can be described as "religious." All that is left is experience that results in direct knowledge, or gnosis.
Contemporary Opinions
- "If we define religion as the institutionalization of solutions to the problems of egocentric power, it is clear that Thelema is not a religion." -- Michael Sanborn, Transcending the Predator.
- "Thelema is a law of nature. It does not require faith, service, devotion, worship, commitment, institutions, attitudes, practices, conformity, causes, principles, or beliefs. (See dictionary definition of religion.) Christianity requires most (if not all) of these things. … Thelema is not a religion. The confusion arises because religious praxis (i.e. practice) is often used in order to understand Thelema and to live in harmony with it. … The Mass has all these things. Thelema does not require them. The fact that the Mass has these elements does not mean that those elements must be present in order to 'typify' Thelema … Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica is a religion which celebrates Thelema by way of the Gnostic Mass. Thelema is not a religion." –- Joseph Thiebes, quoted from An Analysis of the Gnostic Mass by Fr. V.I.T.R.I.O.L.
- "Thelema is not a religion in the conventional sense. It is a realization. Initiations are realizations. When we reach higher levels of consciousness and understanding, we transmit, we inspire, as stars we shine. One merely has to be in the presence of a true initiate, with one's mind open, to receive the current. I lay a challenge to all initiates: utilize all the magickal energies possible to their maximum potential for the expansion of human consciousness. Reflect! Let the flame of life within us burn brighter. Catalyze!" -- Simon Hinton, Liber AL Intelligence.
See also
References
- Crowley, Aleister. (1982). Magick Without Tears. Phoenix, AZ : Falcon Press.
- ____. (1985). Eight Lectures on Yoga. Phoenix, Ariz., U.S.A. : Falcon Press
- Hinton, Simon. Liber AL Intelligence (http://homepage.sunrise.ch/homepage/prkoenig/simon5.htm). Retrieved 8 March 2005.
- Sanborn, Michael. Transcending the Predator (http://www.ecsd.com/~msanborn/transcend.html). Retrieved 8 March 2005.
- V.I.T.R.I.O.L., Fr. An Analysis of the Gnostic Mass (http://www.hermetic.com/egc/mass-analysis.html). Retrieved 8 March 2005.
- Webster, Sam (1993). Analyzing Liber AL vel Legis (http://www.hermetic.com/220/webster-comment.html). Retrieved 9 March 2005.